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 Indlæg : torsdag, 24. jan, 2019 11:27 
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Ja det vil være fornuftigt med en uafgjort til City nuher, så vi selv har lidt mere luft.

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Forklaring kommer senere, når jeg har tid til at vise og forklare. Men prøv at tænk over de sidste kampe vi har haft Fabinho som 6’er. Det var meget tydeligt mod Crystal Palace, specielt i anden halvleg netop fordi vi var bagud og de kom på 2-2


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Har det noget med at 6'erne der falder ned på linje med -at midtstopperne, men ikke formår at bryde linjen igen når en modstander løber ind i mellemrummet - at gøre?
for det kostede vel to mål imod CP.

Ah, har ikke lige haft tid til at få vist, hvad jeg mener. Men det er nu endnu mere tydeligt, at det er en del af spilkonceptet.

Den centrale forsvarsspiller, såfremt han finder der er plads foran ham, når vi har bolden langt oppe på banen (midten eller lige over på modstandernes banehalvdel) skal han løbe bolden fremad og indtil en modstander møder ham, så skal der spilles rundt i det rum ved siden eller foran ham. De viste lidt af det i studiet med Mikkel Bischoff efter kampen, hvor især Matip var aktiv i den del. Før kampen i går, havde vi kun udført dette når Fabinho var på banen, men igår så man det også inden han kom ind.

Det er en udvikling af konceptet og vi ser ikke andre hold praktisere dette på nær samme vis som vi gør.

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 Indlæg : torsdag, 31. jan, 2019 12:23 
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Forklaring kommer senere, når jeg har tid til at vise og forklare. Men prøv at tænk over de sidste kampe vi har haft Fabinho som 6’er. Det var meget tydeligt mod Crystal Palace, specielt i anden halvleg netop fordi vi var bagud og de kom på 2-2


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Har det noget med at 6'erne der falder ned på linje med -at midtstopperne, men ikke formår at bryde linjen igen når en modstander løber ind i mellemrummet - at gøre?
for det kostede vel to mål imod CP.

Ah, har ikke lige haft tid til at få vist, hvad jeg mener. Men det er nu endnu mere tydeligt, at det er en del af spilkonceptet.

Den centrale forsvarsspiller, såfremt han finder der er plads foran ham, når vi har bolden langt oppe på banen (midten eller lige over på modstandernes banehalvdel) skal han løbe bolden fremad og indtil en modstander møder ham, så skal der spilles rundt i det rum ved siden eller foran ham. De viste lidt af det i studiet med Mikkel Bischoff efter kampen, hvor især Matip var aktiv i den del. Før kampen i går, havde vi kun udført dette når Fabinho var på banen, men igår så man det også inden han kom ind.

Det er en udvikling af konceptet og vi ser ikke andre hold praktisere dette på nær samme vis som vi gør.


Ah, på den måde!
Ja, det så jeg godt imod Palace. Jeg tænker det ofte var Matip fordi man hellere vil have Van Dijk til at lukke de huller man risikerer at efterlade hvis Matip mister bolden. Matip har også fået lov til at bryde kæden og forstyrre modstandernes opspil og imod CP gav det os flere farlige situationer.
Men ja det er ret spændende


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 Indlæg : fredag, 08. feb, 2019 09:14 
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Ny Messi-lignende rolle til Salah ?

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/f ... d-15797999

Måske ikke en dårlig idé mod de dybereliggende modstandere ?


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 Indlæg : lørdag, 09. feb, 2019 21:34 
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Opskriften er meget enkel, giv Mo ballen så går LFC hele vejen :-)

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Opskriften er meget enkel, giv Mo ballen så går LFC hele vejen :-)

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"I spoke to Pep Lijnders last week, he said that Fabinho is one of the main reasons for the change to a 4-2-3-1.

"He's becoming an elite midfielder."

@neiljonesgoal on this week's FREE Anfield Wrap show...

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Og det er jo ret interessant at Fabinho er en "main reason" bag skiftet til 4-2-3-1, det havde der jo været en del spekulation om i forvejen, dem på ECHO havde vel nærmest vedtaget at det var sådan.

Men jeg syntes godt man kunne se at Fabinho så mere tryg ud i 4-2-3-1 formationen i efteråret end i 4-3-3. Men der er vel ingen grund til at Fabinho ikke kan mestre sin rolle i 4-3-3 systemet når han har fået lidt mere erfaring med den? Jeg kan ihvertfald ikke lige lure hvad det skulle være.

Edit: jeg tænker lidt at Shaqiri har været en anden årsag, blandet med at Milner, Keita og Henderson havde lidt bøvl med skader i løbet af efteråret og køen på den centrale midtbane derfor blev vedvarende mindre.


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 Indlæg : tirsdag, 26. feb, 2019 14:15 
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Vel mangler vi vel også lige de sidste 10-15% fra angrebet, før de ser verdensklasse ud og sørger for sejre over BM og scum, men vi bør også forvente flere scoringer fra midten, som Carra er inde på:

https://www.liverpool.no/nyheter/2019/2 ... -ikke-nok/

Jeg tror, at det kunne være en rigtig god idé, hvis Wilson spillede med i en række udvalgte kampe, hvor vi vil have stor boldbesiddelse, og hvor vi skal udfordre os til at opnå 3-4 frispark omkring feltet, som Wilson kunne være manden, der skulle sparke. En fuldt integreret Keita, Oxlade i kampform og en mere offensiv rolle i flere kampe til Gini vil sikkert også hjælpe godt på tingene, og så savner vi vel generelt nogle flere skud udefra ?


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 Indlæg : tirsdag, 19. mar, 2019 11:22 
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Dette link fra Fulham kampen giver et meget godt billede af, hvordan modstanderne sidder meget tættere på Salah, og at der er flere spillere om at tage sig af ham. Mané boltrer sig på mere plads, men han er samtidig meget sikker i afslutningerne.
Salah har væsentligt flere assists end Mané, og han har væsentligt flere xA i kampene, og det skrev jeg faktisk også indledningsvist til sæsonen, at vi kunne forvente.
Jeg synes faktisk også, at Firmino har spillere siddende tæt på sig, selvom han flytter meget på sig for at gøre sig spilbar og deltage i opbygningen, og det påvirker naturligvis også hans spil.
Dvs. Mané er manden, der har den bedste plads til at eksekvere vores angreb, og de bolde griber han heldigvis fornemt:

https://www.thisisanfield.com/2019/03/v ... liverpool/

Modstanderne ved, at de skal prøve at lukke ned for Firmino, hvis de skal ødelægge rytmen i vores angrebsspil, og de ved, at Salah ikke må få plads overhovedet. Når nu Mané måske ender med at rende med topscorertitlen, hvad skal modstanderne så stille op ?

Vi skal dog selv tænke over, at hvis Mané rammer en skæv dag, så skal vi altså have midtbanen til at byde ind med noget målfarlighed også, og det skal vel være et af de store fokuspunkter til næste sæson, hvor Robbo og Trent også gerne må træne stenhårdt på at få lagt flere veltimede indlæg ind i boksen. Der er et for stort spild på den konto stadigvæk, og de er altså oftest spillerne på den sidste 1/3 - 1/4 af banen med mest plads.


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The changing lines of attack through Liverpool’s creative defence

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Liverpool’s midfield has come under scrutiny for a perceived lack of attacking thrust—so the defence should be seen as exceptional in the same area.

It probably wasn’t the thought that preoccupied James Milner as he approached the penalty spot.

The straight-talking vice-captain knew he was partly culpable for Fulham’s equaliser, the goal that goal that could cost Liverpool two points in the title race. Except it did not.

Milner converted his spot-kick, Liverpool won and their midfielders now have as many goals in 2019 as Virgil van Dijk got in four minutes against Watford.

Two, to be precise.

The meagre goalscoring returns of Liverpool’s midfielders, Yorkshire’s premier penalty-taker excepted, has not escaped attention. Jurgen Klopp’s main six have nine goals between them in all competitions, with Milner contributing 67 per cent of those.

He has 57 per cent of their seven Premier League assists. Outstanding a season as Gini Wijnaldum has had, he has contributed none. Jordan Henderson and Adam Lallana are also yet to open their accounts. Naby Keita has one, Fabinho two.

Strengths from different zones

Should Manchester City win the title, unflattering comparisons can be drawn between the midfields.

Bernardo Silva has six league assists and 10 goals in all competitions on his own, David Silva six and nine respectively.

And yet, if City have the most goalscoring midfielders in England, Liverpool arguably have the most attacking defence.

It may not be reflected in the goals tally, though Virgil van Dijk’s header in Munich took him to four. Instead, consider the assist charts. Supposed stoppers are rubbing shoulders with professional creators.

Only six players have set up more Premier League goals than Robertson; to put his tally of eight into another perspective, that is more than Anthony Martial, Jesse Lingard, Pedro, Richarlison and Sadio Mane have mustered between them.

Trent Alexander-Arnold, meanwhile, is on six. The only other defender alongside him is Watford’s set-piece specialist of a left-back, Jose Holebas.

To illustrate how much the Liverpool full-backs are outliers, only a further four defenders—Benjamin Mendy, Hector Bellerin, Lucas Digne and Cesar Azpilicueta—are on four or five, even if the City left-back, averaging an assist every 162 minutes, could be a runaway leader but for injury.

Equally, the Liverpool duo got a combined five in 90, remarkable, minutes against Watford.

Another line entirely?

If that was an outlier of an evening, their combined haul reflects several elements.

One is their advanced positioning. Calling Alexander-Arnold and Robertson full-backs may breach the Trades Description Act.

In some ways, they are wing-backs in a back four. The Scot, in particular, can get ahead of the midfield; Fabinho and Henderson definitely spend less time in the final third and provide an insurance policy.

The narrowness of Klopp’s formation means each has a channel to run into, with no one ahead of them. Tellingly, three of Milner’s Champions League-record nine assists last season came in 45 minutes against Spartak Moscow…when he was a left-back.

By concentrating players in the middle, Klopp opens up the flanks for his full-backs.

This season’s regulars are excellent crossers.

Robertson has only delivered the 25th-most crosses in the Premier League, so his tally of assists shows both his accuracy and the quality of the finishing.

Alexander-Arnold’s technical excellence highlights his upbringing in midfield: it is possible to envisage him as both Liverpool’s, and England’s, dead-ball specialist for years to come.

Each can provide three different types of cross: it can be a cutback, a curling, low centre or a higher ball. They can get behind a defence, bend a ball around them or lift it over them.

Central thrust

Yet Trent and Robertson are not alone in their ability to provide a defence-splitting pass.

Mane’s exquisite opener in Munich came after a 50-yard ball from Van Dijk. That effortless ability to stroke the ball any distance contributes to his general air of superiority and, among defenders, only Florian Lejeune, Toby Alderweireld, Conor Coady, David Luiz and Harry Maguire average more accurate long passes in the Premier League.

If defences push up against Liverpool, Van Dijk’s range of passing can be a counter-attacking weapon. When they drop deep, Joel Matip has an alternative approach.

Liverpool’s fourth-choice centre-back may just be their best ball carrier.

The Cameroonian has developed a taste for solo runs and, if none have brought a glorious ending, he won a free kick in shooting range at Old Trafford, when Ander Herrera was booked for unceremoniously halting him.

It was the sort of sudden surge that Henderson, for one, is reluctant to perform.

If it showcased the variety of ways in which Liverpool’s defence can augment the attack, the opposite also applies. Roberto Firmino, that famously fervent presser, leads the defensive efforts from the front.

It illustrates the collectivist principles of Klopp’s team, where most of them have been midfielders at some stage of their career and have a varied skillset.

If those in the engine room are charged with providing the power, the midfield trio supplying athlete’s non-stop power, it is telling that Robertson and Alexander-Arnold are both sprinters—“I think he makes 100m sprints every minute,” as Jose Mourinho said of the Scot—with the craft to accompany the incessant graft.

And if Van Dijk seemed to turn his aerial dominance into too few goals, that may be changing.

His Munich strike was a reminder that some of the most important strikes of Klopp’s European challenges have come from defenders: think of Mamadou Sakho and Lovren’s transformative efforts against Dortmund in 2016.

But then, more than most, Liverpool are aware of the difference attack-minded defenders can make.

They have won five European Cups.

A full-back, whether Phil Neal or Alan Kennedy, scored in three of the finals, with the centre-back Tommy Smith also on target in 1977; an auxiliary wing-back, in Vladimir Smicer, struck in the fifth.

Should this season end in further glory, whether in England or Europe, the defenders’ capacity to both make and prevent goals will be pivotal again.


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In Trent Alexander-Arnold and Andy Robertson, Liverpool boast two marauding examples of the modern full-back

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31 MARCH 2019

Liverpool have waited a long time for a couple of full-backs to emerge from the shadow of David Burrows and Barry Venison. Their patience may finally be rewarded.

Burrows and Venison would make a good quiz question for those unsure of who filled the roles in the 1990 campaign, when Liverpool were last English champions.

They were distinguished if unremarkable marauders down Anfield’s sidelines, bringing with them Brummie endeavour and a dodgy Sunderland perm. It was an era where, even at the most progressive clubs like Liverpool, asking a defender to consistently overlap looked like the start of a revolution. In those days, playing a six yard pass to John Barnes might be enough to earn 10 assists per season.

It is a measure of how far the role has evolved – and the calibre of successors who could not match the duo’s medal haul – that Trent Alexander-Arnold and Andy Robertson are already rated higher without boasting a comparable CV. Not since Steve Nicol played in both positions have Liverpool had truly world class players in these roles.

Such is the importance of the modern full-back, there is only person other than Alexander-Arnold who Jurgen Klopp would have wanted with time and space to deliver a cross from the left wing as the club’s latest title bid was wilting.

Robertson offered another reminder of his potency by supplying Roberto Firmino with Liverpool’s opening goal, only for Alexander-Arnold to equalise in their assist contest with his key role in what might casually be described as the most important Kop goal for 29 years, picking out Mohamed Salah before Toby Alderweireld’s 90th minute calamity. That remains to be seen amid many other contenders this year, of course. There are few league goals over the last three decades celebrated with such unadulterated relief.

Liverpool hope this is their ‘Steve Bruce moment’. It was impossible not to invoke images of Manchester United’s last gasp winner to turn the title race their way in 1993, on that occasion two injury times goals scraping a win. Jurgen Klopp was not quite jigging on the pitch like mr. ferguson Ferguson. That will come in May should this goal carry its meaning into the last six Premier League games.

Liverpool have enjoyed a couple of these this season, this the most fortunate since the almost identical Merseyside derby triumph in December.

As Salah took the applause – he will have to wait for his 50th Liverpool goal – Alexander-Arnold’s potential to be the finest English crosser a ball since David Beckham’s prime was again demonstrated, even if he suggested it 'a bit floaty to the back post'.

When we talk about the visionary coaches, it is their use of full-backs that distinguishes them from the wasteland of pragmatic, defensive football. Witness how advanced Mauricio Pochettino pushed Danny Rose in the second half.

Liverpool's full-backs are as much wingers as defenders, burdened with more responsibility on those occasions Klopp opts for energy over flair in his midfield trio.

The lingering criticism of this side – even more churlish given Klopp’s team has collected 79 points already – is they still miss the imagination of Philippe Coutinho. What they lack centrally is compensated for in the scurrying youngsters with the capacity to stay in sixth gear during the game’s latter stages.

It has become the most demanding, tactically significant position in the game. Without Robertson completing the job of two players on the left, Sadio Mane would not have the independence to drift inward. Likewise Salah, whose development as a wide striker is only possible because of the confidence tracking back is easier with Alexander-Arnold completing 100 metre sprints to Olympian standard.

Robertson must feel he is playing a different sport when he returns from international duty with Scotland.

Alexander-Arnold may have benefited from resting during the international break, where his next major breakthrough will come. He spent last summer watching his Spurs rival Kieran Trippier. Like most who come up against the Liverpool man – and every other England right back with international pretensions - Trippier will be doing the chasing from now on.


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11 stats which sum up Robertson & Alexander-Arnold’s LFC importance


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Virgil van Dijk and Sadio Mane have attracted most of the plaudits for Liverpool in recent months – but Andy Robertson and Trent Alexander-Arnold once highlighted their importance in the crucial win over Tottenham.

Robertson and Alexander-Arnold are two of Liverpool’s most consistent performers, contributing impressively in both defence and attack.

We’ve taken a closer look at some stats which underline just how valuable the full-backs are to Jurgen Klopp’s outfit.

– Robertson has now contributed nine assists in the Premier League to date this season, setting a record for the most in a single Premier League campaign by a Liverpool defender and the most of any player in the squad.

– Only Eden Hazard (11), Ryan Fraser (10) and Christian Eriksen (10) have registered more assists in the Premier League than Robertson this season.

– Only twice have defenders provided more assists in a single Premier League season: Andy Hinchliffe (1994-95) and Leighton Baines (2010-11), who both registered 11.

– Robertson has registered six assists in 12 Premier League games this calendar year. No player in the competition has created as many goals in 2019.

– Alexander-Arnold himself has provided six assists, behind only Robertson’s nine and Mo Salah’s seven in the Liverpool squad.

– As noted by The Independent’s Simon Hughes, no pair of full-backs in Premier League history have created as many goals as Robertson and Alexander-Arnold this season.

– Both players are among Liverpool’s top five chance creators in the Premier League this season. Robertson sits in third with 42, while Alexander-Arnold is in fifth with 34.

– In the 5-0 victory over Watford in February, Alexander-Arnold became the youngest player to record three assists in a single Premier League game.

– Only four players in the entire Premier League have produced more successful crosses than Alexander-Arnold’s 25 this campaign.

– Despite offering such a threat going forward, the two full-backs have also made more tackles than any other Liverpool players in the Premier League this season. Robertson leads the way with 72, followed by Alexander-Arnold on 49.

– While Virgil van Dijk (37) leads the way in terms of interceptions, Alexander-Arnold (28) and Robertson (26) sit second and third among Liverpool’s squad this season.


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Dette var fokuset under pre-season

Lijnders forteller om at Liverpool fokuserte mye på «tempoforandringer i pasningsspillet» under pre-season – som et viktig våpen for å bryte ned lag. I tillegg til enda bedre organisering og kollektivt samarbeid når laget forsøker å presse frem feil.

– Vi bestemte oss for at vi under sesongoppkjøringa skulle jobbe med bedre ballbevegelser og posisjoneringen til midtbanespillerne våre, pluss Roberto, Sadio og Mo, sier Lijnders.

– Fokus på hurtige angrep gjør at man raskt er på vei til å bli et suksessfullt lag, men man er også nødt til å fokusere på veldig god organisering. Ønsker du bra kontra-press, er det viktig å ha kortere avstander mellom spillerne. Så dersom du mister ballen til motstanderen, kan man skape et veldig intenst øyeblikk for å vinne den tilbake.

– Hvis distansene på midtbanen er ganske store, så er det vanskelig å sette inn det presset, forklarer han.

Fordelene med mindre avstander innad i laget finner man også når Liverpool er i angrep.
– Hvis avstandene er korte og de spiller med hverandre, kan måten ballen forflyttes på skape overraskelsesmomenter og rom når motstanderen reagerer, fortsetter Lijnders.

– Spill på innsiden for å skape angrep på vingen. «Ving-angrep» er et biprodukt av bra spill på innsiden.

– Den første måten å forsvare seg på, er hvordan du flytter på ballen når du har den. Nøkkelen er hvor raskt man gjør det, sånn at du gjør motstanderen passiv. Hvis de ikke har ballen, angriper de ikke. Da trenger du heller ikke å forsvare deg.

– Ikke redd hvis du er forberedt!

Nå som vi er inne i sesonginnspurten, med svært viktige kamper i både ligaen og Europa, er det ikke mye tid til trening mellom slagene. Men korte, intense økter spiller en viktig rolle, forklarer Lijnders. Fordi det bevarer friske bein og gjør spillerne komfortable med kampplanene.

– Denne perioden skriker frykt. Og den eneste måten å fjerne frykten på, er å trene skikkelig bra. Hvis du trener som et beist, med 100 prosent riktig holdning, og vi velger riktig type trening, fjerner du frykten. Du kan ikke være redd ettersom du er forberedt.

Trenerteamet forsikrer seg om at spillerne ikke skal bli utmattet fra økt til økt eller at forskjellige øvelser kolliderer med hverandre. Lijnders sier det er stort fokus på at Klopp alltid skal ha et «fresh» lag tilgjengelig.

– De kan ikke slå oss på moral og innsats

Detaljer som det kan fort avgjøre hvem som vinner Premier League.
– Jeg ønsker kun én ting. Det er at vi ved sesongslutt kan holde hodene hevet vel vitende om at vi ga absolutt alt, sier Lijnders.

– Manchester City har sine kvaliteter, men de kan aldri slå oss på lagmoral, lojalitet, ambisjon og innsats. Så lenge vi har det, er jeg overbevist om at vi har en stor mulighet.


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MNF Extra: Liverpool's creativity comes from full-backs not midfield

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